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Post by sarahv on Feb 12, 2015 13:58:36 GMT -5
Since it came out I've been trying to compare the tunes on each record together, but with no real success! I'm still curious as to how Valentine's Day was put together though. Did Tyshawn Sorey just have Enigmata to work from and constructed his part solely around that album, or did Ribot and Dunn re-record their parts from scratch live with TS? I'd be curious to know. I was wondering the same thing. We'll be seeing some of Valentine's Day live tomorrow night, which should be quite an adventure. Ribot did a radio interview recently and sounded a little anxious about it... I don't blame him!
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Post by Sordel on Feb 12, 2015 14:00:53 GMT -5
As for Valentine's Day / Enigmata, I think overall I prefer VD. I think that criticism may have come off as more severe than you intended! Valentine's Day has got to be drums recorded on the original Enigmata tracks, surely? The timing is way too similar for them to have re-recorded the pieces, and the original recording of Enigmata has a credit to John Zorn for conducting. On the credits for Valentine's Day it says "Recorded March 2010/June 2014 and mixed July 2014" so that seems to settle it. Mind you, it sounds almost trivial when put like that, but Sorey must have been playing out of his skin to put drums to improvisations that didn't originally have them. Coming back to Olympiad, the composition dates seem to be off somewhere. If you compare the list given in the Tzadik Cobra with the dates on the Dither album, you get the following: Curling (1977 according to both) Hockey (1978 according to Cobra notes, 1977 according to Dither) Fencing (1978 according to Cobra notes, 1976 according to Dither) I'm thinking that the new dates are probably authoritative. On my wishlist for the future volumes of Olympiad would therefore be the following pre- Cobra game pieces that do not seem to have been recorded (or at least, not currently available): (Klarina) - Baseball - Dominoes - Golf - Cricket Tennis - Track And Field - Jai Alai - Go - Croquet - (Sebastapol) - Rugby Klarina and Sebastopol may not count for this project of course as, to the best of my knowledge, they are not named after games or sports.
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Post by Offering on Feb 12, 2015 15:37:11 GMT -5
As for Valentine's Day / Enigmata, I think overall I prefer VD. I think that criticism may have come off as more severe than you intended! Valentine's Day has got to be drums recorded on the original Enigmata tracks, surely? The timing is way too similar for them to have re-recorded the pieces, and the original recording of Enigmata has a credit to John Zorn for conducting. On the credits for Valentine's Day it says "Recorded March 2010/June 2014 and mixed July 2014" so that seems to settle it. Mind you, it sounds almost trivial when put like that, but Sorey must have been playing out of his skin to put drums to improvisations that didn't originally have them. Coming back to Olympiad, the composition dates seem to be off somewhere. If you compare the list given in the Tzadik Cobra with the dates on the Dither album, you get the following: Curling (1977 according to both) Hockey (1978 according to Cobra notes, 1977 according to Dither) Fencing (1978 according to Cobra notes, 1976 according to Dither) I'm thinking that the new dates are probably authoritative. On my wishlist for the future volumes of Olympiad would therefore be the following pre- Cobra game pieces that do not seem to have been recorded (or at least, not currently available): (Klarina) - Baseball - Dominoes - Golf - Cricket Tennis - Track And Field - Jai Alai - Go - Croquet - (Sebastapol) - Rugby Klarina and Sebastopol may not count for this project of course as, to the best of my knowledge, they are not named after games or sports. Oh yeah, I hope future volumes do appear. Sadly, the "Game Pieces" series fizzled out, and the promise of key Naked CIty live shows has only reached one volume so far, and that was years ago! Here's hoping though. I bought the download of Valentine's Day, so didn't have that information in front of me. In that case, as you said, what a task for Tyshawn Sorey! Jesus, get your head round that music, let alone compose drums to it! Damn... Sarah - I'm jealous. It's going to be a storming set.
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Post by sarahv on Feb 12, 2015 22:09:58 GMT -5
Sarah - I'm jealous. It's going to be a storming set. Yeah, it'll be a crazy night. Zorn/Graves first set, Ribot/Sorey/Dunn second set. Wheeee!
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Post by Sordel on Feb 23, 2015 6:09:15 GMT -5
I've just started listening to the Klezmerson volume of BoA; quite a nice disc that comes over as something of a blend of the Zion 80 and Roberto Rodriguez volumes in style. No liner notes as yet I'm afraid because I'm listening to the Amazon player version in anticipation of receiving the actual CD.
(Just editing to say that the digital files for this are mislabelled Klexmerson for some reason)
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Post by Vrresto on Feb 26, 2015 14:30:10 GMT -5
My copy of the Klezmerson CD arrived on Tuesday, and I've listened to it 4 times already. Great stuff.
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Post by rodrigo on Feb 27, 2015 13:43:48 GMT -5
Isn't it a bit similar to Aguares? Just received it today, with Hen to Pan. I'll listen to them over the weekend
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Post by Sordel on Mar 29, 2015 5:34:56 GMT -5
Isn't it a bit similar to Aguares? Just received it today, with Hen to Pan. I'll listen to them over the weekend Hen To Pan is hard going. I think that I will like it long term but - as with other of Zorn's chamber works - it requires patient listening over time. By contrast, I'm just listening to Simulacrum and it sounds to me like one of Zorn's most successful excursions into rock. It has a very Prog sensibility with a heavy admixture of hard rock. There are still the Zorn mannerisms there, such as the chaotic breakdowns and Masada phases, but it's also the sort of rock that someone's teenage son might like.
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Post by Sordel on Jun 1, 2015 12:16:51 GMT -5
I received BoA 25: Gomory today. Don't forget to check below the disc tray for the super-secret lyrics sheet. I was expecting Mycale Part two but this has a more pronounced World Music feel than the earlier volume. It also sounds to me like one of those BoA volumes where it's difficult to see how much Zorn himself would have contributed to the project other than some melody lines: for a substantial part of its length it doesn't even sound like Masada. The individual styles of the vocalists seem more pronounced to me this time around as well.
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Post by stefanodoug on Jun 1, 2015 14:48:13 GMT -5
Personally I am looking forward to hearing Forro in the Dark plays Zorn. I have been listening to a lot of Brazilian music for the last for years and this release seems like a sign of destiny (on this note Cantuaria and Frisell Latin albums are lovely). The tracklist looks great: Uluwati (The Dreamers) Novato (Alhambra Love Songs) Forro Zinho Life Is Real Only Then When "I Am" (The Concealed) Shaolin Bossa (Filmworks XII: Three Documentaries) Sunset Surfer (Radio, Naked City) Zavebe (Ipos, Book of Angels vol.14) Ode to Delphi (The Goddess - Music For The Ancient Of Days) Tempo de Festa Annabel (Filmworks XXIV: The Nobel Prize Winner) The Quiet Surf (The Gift) Has anyone bought the Song Project live? I wanted to buy it as I believe that live versions can be better than studio's, but I read diverging opinions on its sound and performance quality so I refrained from getting it for now.
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Post by Sordel on Jun 5, 2015 3:16:00 GMT -5
Has anyone bought the Song Project live? I wanted to buy it as I believe that live versions can be better than studio's, but I read diverging opinions on its sound and performance quality so I refrained from getting it for now. I haven't bought it ... in fact it's the first Zorn release for a while I haven't. I'm just not very keen on the entire enterprise of sticking vocals on existing instrumentals, so while I will probably get it, it's by no means a priority.
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Post by sarahv on Jun 5, 2015 9:27:41 GMT -5
I've developed some sort of mental illness that involves not listening to new CDs... I've got Gomory, the Song Project live, and a bunch more sitting in a pile waiting for me... maybe this weekend I'll crack some open.
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Post by rodrigo on Jun 6, 2015 3:22:33 GMT -5
Mine is on its way... I have to drive to and from work every working day, so that implies some mandatory cd-listening time five days per week . I'll post something when I get it!
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Post by zornormous on Jun 16, 2015 3:45:39 GMT -5
Hi !
difficult to keep up with the new CDs of the Zorn-Institute ;-)
For this summer the new Dreamers is surely fun Pellucidar !
I found on Itunes a release from "Tirzah-Quartet plays John Zorn". Never heard of this one ... Seems these are playing mostly his film music and they were on the legendary Zorn@60 at Ghent-Jazz. This is the smoother side of Zorn ... with harp and strings ... it is not a Tzadik release though ?
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Post by Sordel on Jul 7, 2015 15:00:31 GMT -5
For this summer the new Dreamers is surely fun Pellucidar ! Just listening to this for the first time and ... yeuch! This could be a listen-to-only-once slab of cheese. Only the last track, "Jewels of Opar" sounds on first acquaintance to be worth revisiting.
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